Results of Round 1 of the Print League Competition
Wed 17 Oct 2012 6:15pm
Judged by the popular Malcolm Kus DPAGB EFIAP/b ARPS from Alnwick
Comments
A judging night - always busy - so no club draw this evening.
DEADLINE for Online entry is 19 Sep 2012 and Hand-In of the Prints is 26 Sep 2012.
Remind Anne that the same date is the deadline for the PDI's!!
Anne. It is the same deadline for PDI!
I hope to do quite well - I will be in Menorca and I always do better if I miss the judging night!
Wonder if that technique would work for me? Probably not.
Enjoy Menorca, Mick.
Website additional functionality! Introducing 'Live Scoring'. I will add a clause before I tell you all the good news - we haven't tested this and it might not work but if it does work, then WOW. The first round of the print competition will be scored live on this site. As the judge announces his scores we will be adding them live to the results page. The results page will be available from the start of the evening and refreshing the page periodically will reveal the scores as they are announced. Each entrant will begin the night with a score of 15 for every image entered. Any score marked above 15 will be added as the evening progresses. Fingers crossed! ... and don't get too excited ... this functionality needs to be tested and the only way to do that is on the first round. I'm sure it will work!
Sounds like a great idea! Of course it will work!!
Knowing what Rachel and you are capable of i'm sure it will work, you are masters at what you do...
Now how would you like a go at farming!
Knowing what Rachel is capable of, I'm sure it will work, you are masters at what she does ...
ok I admit it ... this is another piece of wizzy Rachel programming to make it work, but at least it will be displayed brilliantly when it appears!
I thought Malcolm did a great job in time and in quality of presentation.
Yes, he was very good.
Only Ian Crichton's winning images are missing from the results page. Doing the print results page is a real hassle compared to the PDI. The PDI automatically creates the page. With print results images, Rod posted a bulletin requesting winning images and I made several comments for requests and direct emails and slowly after lots of chasing they start to trickle through - some in the wrong format and all but one named incorrectly. I sourced a couple extra from elsewhere as well. I have to say folks (in amongst many other things I need to do) I really can't be bothered. Do we have a solution to this or do I have to go through this rigmarole on every round to compile the image gallery?
Could people enter a PDI image when they submit their titles for the print competition?
Rod suggested this as well and I was a bit hesitant, but actually, it's a pretty good idea. It doubles as an archive to create the winners gallery and it also provides the club with extra PDI images to choose from for external competitions (not everybody enters PDI with the same images). It might even be possible to create a matching running order to project on the night instead of photographing the prints. This certainly couldn't be done in time for round 2 but it's a thought. Do club members have an opinion?
I would be really happy to upload a digital copy of my entry so that the winning images can be shown quickly and even better to project teh images on the judging night. However I believe that quite often the judge ony judges the entries when he/she arrives in Dumfries. Someone (Rod presumably) would have to then get the results of the top three's and change the running order to put them at the end. This is what I do for the pdi's - but Rod wouldn't have so much time - and the images would need to be downloaded on to the club laptop - another job.
I am not saying this means it can't be done - I think it's a great idea but it does need some thought.
These are some of the thoughts that I had too, that it just might end up being yet more work to solve a problem that nobody but me has. Can anybody even tell which are missing? I think it's worth gauging the interest this time before adding the workload.
Sounds good this would mean, as you say, a full bank of images for other competitions.
Great idea to send in PDI's with print titles even if it is just to put winners images up quicker after the event.
As I was on holiday & missed the first print judgement it was great to get live scoring but I have yet to see the prints that won in my league.
I think it would be good to have a PDI archive record of the prints entered but I wouldn't want to use these to project on the night - unless someone else is going to orgnise it! How much work are we talking about for Rachel though?
Many thanks to Ian C. and all the results images are up now.
We discussed this a bit further last night over a pint or 2. There are some very good points regarding uploading a digital copy of your prints when you add your titles to the site and some not so good points. And it would be good to hear some views from the membership?
Pros:
1. We'd have PDI versions of all images for the PDI selection committee for external competitions.
2. Live scoring would automatically generate the winners gallery on the judging night.
3. We would no longer need to photograph the prints to display on the projector screen as we could use the uploaded images - so no camera and tripod in the middle of the isle and possibly a better colour rendition.
Cons:
1. More work to create the functionality on the site.
2. More work for the individual when uploading their title (we do not want to discourage entering but we all have to create that digital image to print from - but we'd all need to create a PDI version for the site as well).
3. A small amount of last minute work organising images in line with the judges choice for winners on the night - but this might be comparable to setting up the camera? Rod would have little time to do this.
Member's opinions are welcomed.
If Rod is happy to sort out the images and Rachel is happy to create the functionality then I think we should do it. It's not a great deal of work for individuals to add a dpi.
they would need to enter several dots per inch though.
Clever!
I would not have any problem with uploading a PDI copy of the photos at the same time as the titles - just means I would have to have the images ready (which was not the case this month).
I would not have any problem coping with Con 3.
Do the inages have to be uploaded upon entry to league each month?? What if we all had an extra 2 weeks JUST for the pdi images??
I know that when i am uploading titles, my print MAY NOT BE COMPLETE. However, given an extra two weeks (just for the pdi image and NOT of the print), i'm sure most members would quite happily upload an image.
On the down side "why would i enter the print league IF i have to upload my print as a pdi? Surely it would be a waste of time entering when i can just upload a pdi??"
One other suggestion, is to have the pdi and print on alternating months. This way "if" we need to upload a pdi image of the print entry, it can be done at the same time, without the pressure of having to print of your image AND send a pdi of your print AND enter the pdi for that round.
Just a suggestion
Your 2 week idea has some merit but would over complicate my job processing the entries.
"Why would you enter print if I have to upload a PDI" could be replaced by "Why should I enter prints". The only reason to enter prints is if you enjoy it. Personally, although I know this is an extreme view, I find it hard to think of PDI as real photographs. They seem transient, ephemeral and vaguely unsatisfying.
This is a print competition and the PDI uploads are only an aid to various parts of the process. Even if we obtain PDI versions of the print images for the PDI image bank, a lot of images just don't translate to PDI particularly well anyway. It's only to try and make life easier for the member's who run all this stuff.
Titles and images would need to be uploaded at the same time. Any uploaded image and title is combined as one element ready to be processed. You could upload the same image into PDI as you might do for a print reference image but the website doesn't know that and never will. Each upload - even if it's the same image elsewhere - is tagged with a unique identifier (a node reference) which carries all the relevant information about it, author, round, name, league, etc. All 60-ish of us could upload the same image but the website only sees 60 individual nodes. You couldn't use a PDI upload to create a print reference image for example.
Comments
A judging night - always busy - so no club draw this evening.
DEADLINE for Online entry is 19 Sep 2012 and Hand-In of the Prints is 26 Sep 2012.
Remind Anne that the same date is the deadline for the PDI's!!
Anne. It is the same deadline for PDI!
I hope to do quite well - I will be in Menorca and I always do better if I miss the judging night!
Wonder if that technique would work for me? Probably not.
Enjoy Menorca, Mick.
Website additional functionality! Introducing 'Live Scoring'. I will add a clause before I tell you all the good news - we haven't tested this and it might not work but if it does work, then WOW. The first round of the print competition will be scored live on this site. As the judge announces his scores we will be adding them live to the results page. The results page will be available from the start of the evening and refreshing the page periodically will reveal the scores as they are announced. Each entrant will begin the night with a score of 15 for every image entered. Any score marked above 15 will be added as the evening progresses. Fingers crossed! ... and don't get too excited ... this functionality needs to be tested and the only way to do that is on the first round. I'm sure it will work!
Sounds like a great idea! Of course it will work!!
Knowing what Rachel and you are capable of i'm sure it will work, you are masters at what you do...
Now how would you like a go at farming!
Knowing what Rachel is capable of, I'm sure it will work, you are masters at what she does ...
ok I admit it ... this is another piece of wizzy Rachel programming to make it work, but at least it will be displayed brilliantly when it appears!
I thought Malcolm did a great job in time and in quality of presentation.
Yes, he was very good.
Only Ian Crichton's winning images are missing from the results page. Doing the print results page is a real hassle compared to the PDI. The PDI automatically creates the page. With print results images, Rod posted a bulletin requesting winning images and I made several comments for requests and direct emails and slowly after lots of chasing they start to trickle through - some in the wrong format and all but one named incorrectly. I sourced a couple extra from elsewhere as well. I have to say folks (in amongst many other things I need to do) I really can't be bothered. Do we have a solution to this or do I have to go through this rigmarole on every round to compile the image gallery?
Could people enter a PDI image when they submit their titles for the print competition?
Rod suggested this as well and I was a bit hesitant, but actually, it's a pretty good idea. It doubles as an archive to create the winners gallery and it also provides the club with extra PDI images to choose from for external competitions (not everybody enters PDI with the same images). It might even be possible to create a matching running order to project on the night instead of photographing the prints. This certainly couldn't be done in time for round 2 but it's a thought. Do club members have an opinion?
I would be really happy to upload a digital copy of my entry so that the winning images can be shown quickly and even better to project teh images on the judging night. However I believe that quite often the judge ony judges the entries when he/she arrives in Dumfries. Someone (Rod presumably) would have to then get the results of the top three's and change the running order to put them at the end. This is what I do for the pdi's - but Rod wouldn't have so much time - and the images would need to be downloaded on to the club laptop - another job.
I am not saying this means it can't be done - I think it's a great idea but it does need some thought.
These are some of the thoughts that I had too, that it just might end up being yet more work to solve a problem that nobody but me has. Can anybody even tell which are missing? I think it's worth gauging the interest this time before adding the workload.
Sounds good this would mean, as you say, a full bank of images for other competitions.
Great idea to send in PDI's with print titles even if it is just to put winners images up quicker after the event.
As I was on holiday & missed the first print judgement it was great to get live scoring but I have yet to see the prints that won in my league.
I think it would be good to have a PDI archive record of the prints entered but I wouldn't want to use these to project on the night - unless someone else is going to orgnise it! How much work are we talking about for Rachel though?
Many thanks to Ian C. and all the results images are up now.
We discussed this a bit further last night over a pint or 2. There are some very good points regarding uploading a digital copy of your prints when you add your titles to the site and some not so good points. And it would be good to hear some views from the membership?
Pros:
1. We'd have PDI versions of all images for the PDI selection committee for external competitions.
2. Live scoring would automatically generate the winners gallery on the judging night.
3. We would no longer need to photograph the prints to display on the projector screen as we could use the uploaded images - so no camera and tripod in the middle of the isle and possibly a better colour rendition.
Cons:
1. More work to create the functionality on the site.
2. More work for the individual when uploading their title (we do not want to discourage entering but we all have to create that digital image to print from - but we'd all need to create a PDI version for the site as well).
3. A small amount of last minute work organising images in line with the judges choice for winners on the night - but this might be comparable to setting up the camera? Rod would have little time to do this.
Member's opinions are welcomed.
If Rod is happy to sort out the images and Rachel is happy to create the functionality then I think we should do it. It's not a great deal of work for individuals to add a dpi.
they would need to enter several dots per inch though.
Clever!
I would not have any problem with uploading a PDI copy of the photos at the same time as the titles - just means I would have to have the images ready (which was not the case this month).
I would not have any problem coping with Con 3.
Do the inages have to be uploaded upon entry to league each month?? What if we all had an extra 2 weeks JUST for the pdi images??
I know that when i am uploading titles, my print MAY NOT BE COMPLETE. However, given an extra two weeks (just for the pdi image and NOT of the print), i'm sure most members would quite happily upload an image.
On the down side "why would i enter the print league IF i have to upload my print as a pdi? Surely it would be a waste of time entering when i can just upload a pdi??"
One other suggestion, is to have the pdi and print on alternating months. This way "if" we need to upload a pdi image of the print entry, it can be done at the same time, without the pressure of having to print of your image AND send a pdi of your print AND enter the pdi for that round.
Just a suggestion
Your 2 week idea has some merit but would over complicate my job processing the entries.
"Why would you enter print if I have to upload a PDI" could be replaced by "Why should I enter prints". The only reason to enter prints is if you enjoy it. Personally, although I know this is an extreme view, I find it hard to think of PDI as real photographs. They seem transient, ephemeral and vaguely unsatisfying.
This is a print competition and the PDI uploads are only an aid to various parts of the process. Even if we obtain PDI versions of the print images for the PDI image bank, a lot of images just don't translate to PDI particularly well anyway. It's only to try and make life easier for the member's who run all this stuff.
Titles and images would need to be uploaded at the same time. Any uploaded image and title is combined as one element ready to be processed. You could upload the same image into PDI as you might do for a print reference image but the website doesn't know that and never will. Each upload - even if it's the same image elsewhere - is tagged with a unique identifier (a node reference) which carries all the relevant information about it, author, round, name, league, etc. All 60-ish of us could upload the same image but the website only sees 60 individual nodes. You couldn't use a PDI upload to create a print reference image for example.